The Vice-Presidential Debate.

8:53 So Im watching the pre-show on CNN-HD. They're making a big deal about these little dialy-thingies. I could care less about them. Why are all Pre-Game shows so full of everlasting suck?

8:55 Some CNN airhead just said "it really is true, when you go negative everybody hates it" Really? Then why does EVERY politician do it?

9:02 Leeeeeeetttttttts get readddy to rummmmnbbbleeeeee!

9:03 Bidens on Bat.
Bailout question.
Good Question "worst of washington or best of washington?"

Biden did a good job of tieing the current economic crisis to Bush.
Palin is doing well at making it about average people and what Mccain has done to fight for them.


9:07 Biden is Trying to Hammer Mccain on his "fundamentals of the economy are strong"quote.
Palins response was great, she refuted bidens statement, touted her and Mccains credentials, and attacked Obama without seeming at all shrill or mean.

9:09 - Good Question, whos to blame, greedy Lenders or greedy lendees? But why so populaist and anti-lender? Nothing from Palin about the American peoples culpabillity?

Biden's staying on message in trying to make the Mcsame arguments. Hes especially hammering on Mccains penchant for deregulation.

Palin counter-response is to hammer Obama/Biden on tax increases. He voted to support higher taxes 94 times. Good line of attack. Obama supported raising taxes on people making 42,ooo a year just last year.

Biden is calling Palin a liar. Is he right?
"Mccain voted to raise taxes 544 times?"
Bidens trying to take control., But Palin is fightin back. "I may not answer questions the way joe or the moderator would like but Im going to talk straight to the american people. "

9:15 M Is high taxation class warfare? JB "its simple fairness" Biden is still repeating the 96% get tax cuts under Obama. John wants 300 billion of tax cuts for corporations and virtually none for the middle class"?

9:17 Palin attacks back oclaiming that most of the corps covered under Mccains plans are "small business" and Slams biden on his "paying taxes is patriotic" quote.

9:18 Palin responding to Bidens attack on Mccains healthcare plan. 5000 dollar tax credit for everyone to buy thier own healthcare. Also Mccain will "erase the fake lines" between states.

9:19 Biden"we dont call it redistribution", we call that "fairness"
Most small busienss would fall under the caps set in Obamas healthcare plan. Says Mccain is switching a 12K plan with a 5k check to the insurance company. "I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere"



9:21 What plans will you have to scrap due to the bailout.
Biden
No Bush tax cuts extension, No Exxon mobil tax cuts, Cant slow down spending on education, or universal healthcare. Obama Biden is going to eliminate wasteful spending.

9:23
Palin
Obama gave the tax breaks to the oil companies. I took them on in Alaska.
Moderator redirects, Palin points out she hasnt made any promises to have to cut and Mccain hasnt made any promise he couldnt keep either.

9:25 Biden "why is Mccain adding on 4 billion in taxes cuts for oil companies.? "Palin put a windfall profits tax in Alaska just like we want to, why doesnt Mccain"?

9:26
Mccain supported Bankruptcy laws, would you have?
Palin "yes but..."
Why the hell does Palin keep bringing up "wall street greed"?

9:28
Mod "You disagreed wiht obama on the bankruptcy bill didnt you?"
Biden "Yeah we disagreed."

9:28 Biden wants bankruptcy judges to adjudicate your interest and principal on the loan. What???????

9:32 Climate change questions, "is it man-made"?
Biden "Yes"
"we have 3% of the worlds energy reserves, we consume 25% of the global supply" Did biden just change position on clean coal?


9:34 Clean Coal?
Palin "the quote is Drill baby Drill"
Obama and "Obiden" are opposed to any form of domestic energy. "You called safe drilling the "rape" of the OCS"
Palin supports carbon tax.

9:35
Biden
"25 years of supporting clean coal technology"
"I was talking about exporting clean coal technology"
"why did john vote 20 times against funding alternative energy"
Mod "do you support same sex benefits"
Biden"
"Absolutely"

9:37
Palin
I'm tolerant but I support traditional marriage.
"I dont support defining marraige as anything but one man and one woman"

9:38
Biden
"Barak Obama nor I support redefining marriage"

9:39 Foerign Policy
Palin - Exit Strategy? "we have a good plan, its called the surge" "Mccain supported it, Obama opposed it"
"we can not afford to lose against AlQeuda and the shiite extreemists"

9:41
Biden - "Obamas plan is Maliki and Bush same exit plan. " "16 months to hand over Iraq to Iraqi's"
Barak and I agree you have to have a timeline, Mccain says we shouldnt have one"
"mccain plan has no end in sight"

9:43
Palin
"your plan is a white flag of surrender" "well know were done when the Iraqis can handle it, and the commanders on the ground will tell us when that is"
Wow Palin just smacked Biden with his own hypocracy twice

9:44 Biden
John Mccain voted against funding becuase of the timeline. "mccain said we would be greeted as liberators, I knew better" "He was dead wrong on the fundamental issues of the war"

9:45 Greater threat, Nuclear Iran or Unstable Pakistan.
Biden "Both, Pakistanm already has weapons, but Iran is close to getting one. "
"My fundamental problem with john is that he thinks the central front on the WOT is Iraq, but if someone attacks America it will come from pakistan and Afghanistan"

9:47
Palin
"Petraus and OBL say Iraq is the central front. "
Iran is genocidal and the President of Iran is neither sane nor stable.

9:49
Mod Kissinger and Baker say we need diplomacy, do you disagree?
Palin ' "no, but not at the presidential level it gives them too much credibility"

9:50
"Mamoud doesnt control Iran the theocracy does. "
"talk, Talk, Talk" Our firends and allies and 5 secrataries of state say "talk talk talk"

9:51 Isreal Palestine?
Palin - Two state solution. Top of the agenda. Isreal is our strongest ally in the ME. We will support isreal. "Isreal is a peace seeking nation."

9:52 Biden -
"No one in the US Senate has been a better friend to isreal than Joe Biden" |"administrations policy has been an abject failure" "we (barak and I) knew better than to let the palestinians vote" "Now hezbollah is legitimate part of the government" "freedom isn't on the march, only Iran is"

9:54 Palin
"there have been huge blunders but this election isnt about Bush" "too much fingerpointing backwards" "well put the government back on the side of the people"

9:55
Biden
"past is prologue" "I havent heard how Mccain's policies are going to be different from Bush's"

9:56
When do nukes go on the board'
Palin?
Its the worst so we have to stop proliferation.
Thats why we have to keep N Korea and Iran from getting them.
"the surge principles need to be activated in afghanistan" "Obama said all we are doing in afghanistan is airrading villages" "thats not true we are building schools"

9"58
Biden
"Commanding general in Afghanistan saidd the surge principles will not work in afghanistan" instead we need more troops and more money
Huh?

"Nukes require a nuclear arms regime, john opposed a comprehensive test ban treaty. "
"First thing obama did as a senator was reach across the aisle on nukes. "


10:00 Palins response
"The general didnt say that"

10:01
Biden
"yes he did" "we spent more in three weeks in iraq than in the entire time weve been in afghanistan"

I have no idea what Biden's responding to now or what hes trying to say. He's rambling

10:03
Palin
"its obvious i'm an outsider becuase I dont get how you can vote for it and then say your against it." "You supported Mccain a lot untill you became Obamas running mate"

10:05
Mod
"Whats the line before we go in"
Biden
"Genocide" "I never supported Mccain positions" "john Mccain was in lockstep wiht Dick Cheney"

10:06
Palin
"you can say what you want now, but we know what you said joe"
"mccain knows how to win a war"

10:07
"how would a biden adminsitation differ from a Obama admin"?
"I would carry on Obama's work."
So no differences then?
"I agree with every major iniative he suggested."

10:09
"what do you expect in a team of mavericks of course we disagree"
But no real details since thier disagreements are pretty well known

10:11
Vp? Joe said he wouldnt take the job, sarah said she didnt know what it entails.
Palin
My line was a lame attempt at a joke, just like yours Joe.
John asked and I was honored.

10:12
Biden
"No child left behind left no money behind"
"Barak asked me to be the point person in congress" "Ill be sititng in the room to give advice whenever he makes a major decision"

10:13
Is VP a congress critter too?
Palin I agree that the consitution gives us flexibillity.

10:15
Biden- "Cheney has been the most dangerous VP in history" "he should read article 1"

10:16
Mod - Is the CW right about your weakness? Palin=inexperience Biden=lack of disipline

Palin - "No I do have experience, as Governor of Alaska. Plus I have experience raising a family that helps me understand what americans are going through."

Biden - No allthough some people think my passion is. I understand whats its like to have a struggling family as well as the governor or anyone else.

Palin - "People want change, and Mccain has been the consumate maverick in the senate and has taken on his own party as have I." "Look at Mccain supporters and you see very diverse backgrounds and ideologies." "the netrenched partisanship form both parties is unnaceptable.

Biden -
"McCain's been no maverick on things that matter to peoples lives" "He hasnt been a maverick on healthcare, education, war or anything else that people talk about around the kitchen table"


10:22
Mod - Final question
Any issue you had to change your mind on due to circumstances.

Biden - "Judicial nominees. I had to change my mind about not rejecting people due to the nominees ideology"

Palin - "Sometimes I didnt veto budgets I didnt like but I didnt have enough support, but on major principles NO. In alaska we worked together regardless of party so we didnt have to compromise our values"

10:25
Mod - How do you change the tone in washington
Biden - Stop questioning people motive, just thier judgement. He hasnt questioned anyones motives since his first year in the senate ???

Palin - You respect others opinions even when you disagree.

Closing statements

Palin - "This was great, I loved meeting Joe, I loved being here, I like talking to the American people directly, and John McCain and I will fight for you! We have to fight for freedom in every generation. "

Biden - "This was great, I loved meeting sarah, this is the most important election EVAR, we need Funnnndamental change, Obama and I measure progress based on how the middel class is doing, not how the CEO's are doing."